hunter decoder troubleshooting

That's the valve wire after the decoder, not the decoder wire. STEP 1: Verify Station Fault Remove the field wire for the faulted station. great post & replies.. very helpful stuff. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? In a diagnostics situation be aware their will be measurable current where their will none in a traditionally open circuit. When stations are running (Active), the total current is updated to show the power used by the solenoids. also there are 22 stations. Only looked it up a few days ago, and found the LTC1153 as a top result. I looked up curves when it seemed like I would have to upsize a fuse in a solid state controller in order to accommodate two valves on a zone, in a controller only rated for one. <> The decoder may be damaged. also there are 22 stations. nothing works. The clamp-meter will give accurate readings. The AC current will drop sharply between two points on the wire path, if the short circuit or fault to earth is between them. Hunter have been exceptional with their service over the years. 1:15:16 Types of Problems. WebOpen the controller inner door to see additional diagnostic information on the DUAL48M display. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. Or are we taking those with the same grains of salt we employ when looking at sprinkler head performance charts? Check with your local sales rep and request a class. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. So here's the recap guys: Success! Why don't you just buy your controllers from dealers instead of off the back of a truck in the middle of the night. 19 yrs & counting. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. If the Err message is not present, the problem is with the valve or Thanks for your patience. %PDF-1.5 Sorry. ill ask for you next time you really know your stuff.. Wont read flow. G'Day sprinklerkid_australia --- Your Armada Tech clamp meter is trying to read milliamps at 35 VAC and 1.2 Hertz. All rights reserved. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. EZ-DT is Hunters new Easy Decoder Diagnostic Tool that makes troubleshooting the EZ-DS system even easier. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! also there When the program doesn't run, the "module/line activity" light is rapidly blinking red. Otherwise data history only shows "power outage" and "power restore" due to the homeowner shutting off the breaker, which he says 'almost' always allows the box to work properly. Thank you very much, I will be calling Hunter Support tomorrow. The ICD-HP will check for a decoder. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The wire test will place a 60 Hz frequency on all output modules and their two-wire paths, to allow wire tracking and fault finding with a standard AC current clamp meter. If successful, it will display the Dec Repeat firmware update steps and allow to complete. The display may show Press the Mode (center) button on the DUAL48M control panel. endobj Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. I hate to disappoint 1idejim, but no Speedos were used or harmed during this operation. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. Decoder will not respond after firmware update. I remember reading the phrase "electronic circuit breaker" in product descriptions when the glass fuses and mechanical circuit breakers were no longer included with sprinkler controllers. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. If there is no problem with the decoder lead wires, then split the connections for the 2-wire path. Trace and mark the 2-wire path using a 501 or 521 if necessary. Connect the Pulser to the 2-wire path that is isolated from the controller. 2 0 obj 1:24:23 The Half Method. My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. WebTroubleshoot wire breaks, nicks, damage, and shorts Solve issues with wires, valves and locating decoders Assists with set-up and product recommendations Supports all 2-wire WebThe bottom of the decoder (the end with no wires) should be within the programming cup. 5[@l$w ZIeQ|"+m}Z The Diagnostics screen displays an overview of the electrical status of each installed output module, plus additional functions. WebMake sure both slide locks are closed. WebAttempt to turn on the decoder from the controller (Manual Single Station or ICR remote). Otherwise I have been going by what the homeowner is telling me. Basically the system doesn't work intermittently, where the control box indicated that it is watering normally but it in fact is not. Most manufacturers use a diagnostic circuit breaker on the triac/output side of things. Y1-XBL)~\d1on4a*NkHIcOB\pMEw4pl>=U`S&bSh 9umf,[$ctNKXle5I<5~8[y!ofCO]myN 'T,]>V 7T% Read the resistance of the wire pair that connects the two decoders together. The readings should be between 0-60 depending on distance between decoders (see decoder wire resistance chart). If connection/wiring breaks are not visible, then use a cable tracer to track the wire issue. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The curves I read showed there was a little bit of wiggle room (very little). Any current-limiting circuitry would serve as transformer protection as well as triac protection. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. I am troubleshooting a Hunter ACC 2 wire decoder system and could use some advice. I thought I was the only nerd regarding 2 wire. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. Poly switches allow current leakage and their ability to remain active is limited. Hi guys. Check battery display or Program dummy station numbers into decoder. Woo-Hoo! Thanks to all for the kind words. I will check on it. ICD-HP will not communicate with decoder. endobj I have a few oversize control transformers with actual fuseholders. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. Each modules electrical current is shown. Can we trust electronic component curves? <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>> When 12 comes on there shouldn't be any measurable current on the same wire on the 11 valve. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. To stop the chatter, press the soft key again, or it will stop by itself after 30 minutes. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Woo-Hoo! If you are going to maintain 2-wire systems, you want to have a clamp-around "leakage meter" that can read the milliamp currents drawn by the decoders. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. Of course, the primary design concern for controllers is probably going to be to have triacs that can handle the entire output of the supply transformer up to its internal fuse opening point. HCC Manual Operation. My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. If 1 0 obj Master Valve not on (station solenoid is on, but no water). Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. WebSolution Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. To read decoder information: Two beeps will sound, and decoder information will be displayed. I scheduled with the homeowner for Friday morning, so I will be calling at 8am Hawaii time this friday. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. Web1:00:00 EZ Decoder Diagnostics. Check two-wire path and controller power. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. That Jim Guy said: Rather than seeing 10.5-12.0 ma you should be getting about 4.5 at the 3rd decoder. Not sure how their fuse size compares to the actual transformer ratings. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. WebWith the clamp meter check the lead wire of the decoder to make sure the cause is not a failed decoder. A condensed version might be possible in your area. WebMove the pointer with the arrow buttons at the Main Menu screen to Program Decoder and press Next . Start the controller manually. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have a question relating to this post and a job we are on at the moment. O.k, you're holding the phone in one hand and the notebook in the other..how do you write? When troubleshooting is finished, press the soft key again to turn off the 60 Hz wire test mode. All Hunter ICD decoders have a single copper grounding wire. That is the "wire" that would be connected to earth ground. If the decoder (s) look damaged from surge, disconnect them from the 2-wire path and check the amperage at the controller. This is done by going to "Advanced Features", "Decoder Functions", "Check ADM Current". http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/acc_v5.11.020_xp.zip, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf. I have replaced the decoder module and I am experiencing the same problem. % There will be more online material in the future. w?Lhq ?N~5kd>wkSrzPq$`p_PD8q If the LED on the decoder is not blinking green, ensure the station is active, checkthe two-wire path and wire connections, and repeatsteps 1 & 2. 1:27:03 School of hard knocks. Example of using glass fuse holders on ADM. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? If it is there for a long period of time, the ICD-HP is retrying due to communication failures. Sorry tlawn86 - The 2-day decoder class is currently held in San Marcos, CA. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. To read decoder information: Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. This seems serious enough for the big kahuna to do a site visit. I have chatted a few times with hunter support and with the local hunter rep but I figured I would try a different perspective. Sometimes it works perfectly fine. 1:01:06 Tools for Troubleshooting. Konapride - U da Man! JavaScript is disabled. 1:09:06 System Troubleshooting. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. All rights reserved. Weba defective solenoid, 2) defective field wiring, or 3) poor wire connections. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. WebPress the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. I have a great video by an engineer named Barry Brents he explains when to use poly switching and when you might not want to. Troubleshooting Decoder-Based Irrigation Systems Regency Wire & Cable 3.86K subscribers Subscribe 230 Share 40K views 5 years ago Learn how to here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. The Decoder Design Guide isn't super great for troubleshooting but it does help clarify things graphically: reps and sponsors could learn a lot from your posts, once a product has been introduced quit selling and help when help is needed. Display backlight will reduce battery life. Whats the next step? stream nothing works. Make sure power is on to controller. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Overflow messages. All rights reserved. Do not leave ClikTM Output Tester or Flow Output. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. 6u-B*v?!kTBiqGx]%L(lJR%C%JT|JN](lW*M(q0sN)M3Z>.l&Zhg_v|w4(`yNId8Ui@IOPfMaUKZHTLjnJQZ\`{YAQ$t"k$HiYv;|bXr`-p J#[(iiq:;?-+&gj"tw0 ,x n(p.d0ib=J%UXSeRn2 LM %%]*WI@NT. JavaScript is disabled. dEZ$eo4#tWY)[ 1BqH M9 7HB37(.eFyTg%!Rppe8M'CJ_*uN%! Konapride - Did you call Hunter today? i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by hand held. Verify flow limits and delays allow for some variation. If the decoder reading fails, a red X will appear in the display. Position the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoder as shown in the display. ?t5Za')i6/3^mAa` B@9xkWJIj#vc$lsv$ $ac9]zruP!53yT)Ek8k~oF2|jS(KzwR%~qQPxS*=[{n{;GCNBRq;4E+ajt'b34vII +sa:fKJ :clapping: Hey Pops, you ever hear of speaker phone or earbuds? 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, with the primary wired to a pigtail. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. <>>> Know most of the Hunter guys in San Marcos. ACC-99D uses two-wire decoders to control up to 99 stations without giving up the arsenal of features provided by the ACC. Make sure you have a clampmeter and notebook in your hands, I can't tell you how portant they both are. I feel like I am beating this to death. If the voltage did not change, verify that In other words, if you try to use a clamp meter on "native" power, normal controller power, it likely will not read accurately. Ex distributor and a big fan of Hunter 2 wire. To view this page in a different language, please select from the list below. The decoder will not respond after a firmware update, Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by handheld. When no stations are running (Inactive), this shows the standby current draw of idle decoders on the two-wire path. WebEZDT - EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 2. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. xnH j"0 5xvyeY&B^RU}j5,WWu| ?Dy2)Q()F)aY@S8bAZDx]r|zy|hWl>V&vrU>%eD/ay2qlH&O}MHV- 0h$X>#e|:>6 ? Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. I have better luck using a 24 VAC signal. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. I love the product. I like barry he uses a white board which I like and dry erase markers which I love, ill post a link if i can find it. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. It's easy enough to spec triacs in a controller that will operate on the safe side of a glass fuse curve. Success! Rod your a big help.. when i called hunter support last thursday the rep i talked to was just reading a book and didnt know a clue what i was talking about almost. If 2. Some of us employ self-healing transformer technology which may use a poly-switch or other resettable device. I should have mentioned my own research about polyswitches was not about their being primary protection in this application, but for use in another aspect of valve operation by remote controllers. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. WebDetect faults and perform electrical troubleshooting in the field without uninstalling decoders Quickly read decoder status, station address, current draw, and two-wire voltage to simplify maintenance Program decoder station address via wired connection to speed up installation and save time on-site Current is very helpful in troubleshooting field wiring conditions. I was at the Golf Industry Show in San Diego all day. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I'm an avid user of Hunter products here in Aus. Check flow sensor setup. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf, http://www.turf-digital.com/Jul2011/South#&pageSet=12&page=0. This is a common diagnostic technique to find shorts to earth ground. Select Diagnostics with the arrows, and press Mode to Press the Mode Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. Check Power Supply Board status light. @lP-s 67#R }*]xg6Q+DTp J'rY{y if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. Thanks for any help. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. The station finder will chatter a selected station to help locate a solenoid in the field by listening. Check flow sensor wiring. Thank you. Check the voltage on the output of the decoder. I previously distributed Hunter here in Aus and they are a brilliant company. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Ditto on the classy rep. Those are posts well worth saving. Operating large numbers When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. EZ-DT: Decoder Programming You Sprinkus, nice job on providing the Decoder Troubleshooting Guide. Been installing it for around 6 years now and its the best. Is that true? However there have only been two fault messages, each for a random zone (19,22) stating "comm" error. WebHunter ACC Decoders. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. Press the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. endobj I have only gotten the problem to show itself for me once, that was today after installing the new module. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. nothing works. I will be in the office the rest of the week. I'd say a helper would be handy. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. Reduce timer or turn off backlight display. http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-te-talks/, http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-TE-talks/, http://www.underhillonline.net/Faulting_Transformer_p/transfrmr-240.htm, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation, EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. <> Verify that the two wire path is connected to the controller, and that controller power is XhArBLfR6+$!$/}^T%]'N$xRP:D,d_c GuC`5PC.7|/$C. Start station with MV from controller or remote. 4 0 obj Check battery display or retry with USB power if available. The * is letting the user know that the ICD-HP is in process of communicating with the decoder. Decoder is powered from ICD-HP power leads. HunterTekGeek 1. How to use a clamp-meter to troubleshoot: 1. Select. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, JavaScript is disabled. 3 0 obj Check system for leaks and malfunctions. I will also explore a shorted solenoid. I think it isn't posted online because it needs updating. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. can we get the Federal Express guy to teach a half-day class? ICC2 Manual Operation. Awesome sps2868.

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