uberti proof marks

On the top of the barrel, an inch in front of the rear sight, was "PATENT. Some kind of a star over a shield, a star over PN or PSF? 0000012886 00000 n The era of reproduction Western firearms began in the early 1950s when Val Forgett, of the American Navy Arms company, visited this area of Italy in search of a manufacturer who could make a copy of the Colt 1851 Navy revolver. Delivery of item will be in 3 - 6 business days to Continental USA. Y'All take care now!! Where can I find them.Got a 22 cal I would like to find out about.1866,from Navy Arms no name or modle. The Beretta family can trace their gunmaking roots in this region back almost five hundred years. I take it that it was made in 1979, which sounds right, I bought it used in the early 1980's. It is a well made old gun. It had an extremely heavy trigger pull. See Attachment 4. Our first glance at the Uberti test model was extremely satisfying. A PDF link to Dennis Adler's article about Italian Black Powder Proof marks is given below. Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. 6) Pietta's logo and name stamp. any one know who manuf. 6) Piettas logo and name stamp. 0000039614 00000 n Another Brescia based company, Armi Sport, marks their guns with AC within a circle. ix)]'Aa-;O;KGg 6+Rg^vF$^og>XxZaNz:E There are typically three stamped mark on every italian made black powder rifle, shotgun and revolver. UBERTI & C. GARDONE V.T. shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing, CAS, Cars, Traveling Uberti's first production gun was a Colt 1851 in 1959 so the date code would have been "XV". 0000004871 00000 n If you take the grips off there could be a mark on the brass underneath. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. 0000001791 00000 n I have a black powder 58 cal riflr with the same cartouche is 3 "R's each inside the other. 0000110238 00000 n As for value comes with box and back powder flask. Pre 60s? I will always hold a special place in my heart for my great great grandfathers Newhaven Arms 1860 Henry, but my Henry Repeating Arms Co rifle will always hold second to that one hands down no contest. These are the guns that REALLY, "Won The West!" http://powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf. This stands for Armi Chiappa in reference to Rino Chiappa, the companys founder. The right side of the frame is marked . The website has it right at 13. This gun has no Italian proof marks and is not marked blackpowder only. The Trapper 342910 in 45 Colt has an 18.5-inch barrel, a brass frame and buttplate, and a case-hardened lever. I have a black powder 6 shot revolver with no serial numbers, proof marks or name of manufacturer or importer. Of course, original Henry rifles were never chambered for anything but the 44 Henry Rimfire, so whether you choose 44-40 or 45 LC for your modern 1860 Henry is of no consequence. Aldo Uberti S.r.l. Prior to 1975 ASM stamped the datecode in Roman numerals on the right side of the frame, along with the proofmarks. "Subject to the will of the Crown!" The letter is signed by Maria Laura Uberti of Uberti USA, Inc. and states that these revolvers were made for Colt Firearms as prototypes by my father Aldo Uberti. I was recently given an Italian made.58 Remington 1863 "Zouave". 79 0 obj <>stream 1) An example of a full set of Proof and makers marks on a Pedersoli pistol. The crest consists of crossed rifles with bayonets and a hammer and anvil. Part Owner of the Irish Cattle Company, Held hostage in NY(But I'm spying on the Yankees), Shooting, Old British Motorcycles,Shooting, Harleys, Shooting.SV188 Their health and their love.I love The people I have gotten to meet in sass and the ones that have just talked to on the wire.I do like to shoot and pick on people at the shoot.I love the hugs I get and the ones I will get when I meet some on you people. 9) An early Euroarms name stamp. Click Here to log in. . See Attachment 2 for description of a Phantom revolver and Attachment 3 for a copy of this telex. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. It will make a nice addition to any collection, especially as a companion gun to a rifle chambered for the same cartridge. were all sharp enough to cut the hands. The hammer was blued, but the loading lever was case hardened. there are other marking but they are not readable. They are the earliest Navy Arms made. In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. The "1858 Remington" is a modern collector's term for the Remington New Model Army. You have doubtless seen the obligatory BLACK POWDER ONLY marking (stamped on the barrel of all Italian made black powder guns) and the proof house stamps, but are you aware of their significance? Remingtons bullet had a slight shoulder, which was part of the problem. In our October 2015 issue, we took a hard look at the Henry Repeating Arms Original Rifle in a test that included a Winchester 1892, both rifles in 44-40 WCF. 0000038284 00000 n Enjoy the thrill of shooting a gun from the Old West and experience how history repeats itself. The cartouche is 3 "R"s each inside the other. To my amazement, I found another Uberti/Colt .22 single action at Collector Firearms' web site . The first proof mark, which appears on all weapons produced in Italy since 1950, is a star within a wavy edged circle (I have seen this described as lands and grooves of rifling) above a crest in a shield. Likewise, many of the Winchester or Sharps rifle clones will have been manufactured in the same area. Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. 0000007663 00000 n You need to take the buttstock off & look on the receiver. 0000001770 00000 n I have a 1858 remington new army revolver I purchased at a garage sale. Without photographs of all of the marks on the pistol it is difficult to identify - see my reply above. it has a dove tailed rear sight and post front sight. What year would his have been made? I think it is a new Army 1858 but the Navy Arms on the top of barrel confuses me. If you don't Facebook PM me the details of the rifle and I'll make sure he gets it. Very nicely finished. From these humble beginnings has grown an industry catering for the needs of shooters, re-enactors and collectors Worldwide. 36 made in itlay. ITALY. Every lawbreaker we allow into our nation, or tolerate in our citizen population leads to the further escalation of law breaking of all kinds and acceptance of evil. [CDATA[*/var out = '',el = document.getElementsByTagName('span'),l = ['>','a','/','<',' 116',' 105',' 46',' 97',' 116',' 116',' 101',' 105',' 112',' 64',' 111',' 102',' 110',' 105','>','\"',' 116',' 105',' 46',' 97',' 116',' 116',' 101',' 105',' 112',' 64',' 111',' 102',' 110',' 105',':','o','t','l','i','a','m','\"','=','f','e','r','h','a ','<'],i = l.length,j = el.length;while (--i >= 0)out += unescape(l[i].replace(/^\s\s*/, '&#'));while (--j >= 0)if (el[j].getAttribute('data-eeEncEmail_mePVxTdjTo'))el[j].innerHTML = out;/*]]>*/, I am trying to identify and find the value of a Pietta black powder pistol that was given to me. 0000007017 00000 n I can't find it through their pictures. Length of pull - 13 1/8" (to center of buttplate) Approx. i Have a black powder pistol with the star circle over PN with AC in a square next to it and the crossed rifles with the star circle over it and it has 2115 R a P over an R and FTE Italy on the butt. Black Powder Date Codes. Frascarelli. 0000003744 00000 n Our sample Uberti Yellow Boy rifle was very well made and finished. Hello. This is not one of the standard Pedersoli or Pietta proof marks, nor is it a Uberti proof mark. H\@OQEcb{+ nb~{:0|wvrqrkx?:S],\hi~,]#M=m.0Mn6sjZ]e/&oKZ!b>^SM U\bw~tWcV.Y,qd^"+"!b^!{w{=2i3{dad:=Npz:=~E~e~MYxGxGxGxGxGx=SOA>} 7) Mark on a recent Euroarms revolver. 0000002293 00000 n [CDATA[*/var out = '',el = document.getElementsByTagName('span'),l = ['>','a','/','<',' 109',' 111',' 99',' 46',' 111',' 111',' 104',' 97',' 121',' 64',' 48',' 57',' 57',' 49',' 119',' 101',' 104',' 116',' 116',' 97',' 109',' 110',' 101',' 101',' 114',' 103','>','\"',' 109',' 111',' 99',' 46',' 111',' 111',' 104',' 97',' 121',' 64',' 48',' 57',' 57',' 49',' 119',' 101',' 104',' 116',' 116',' 97',' 109',' 110',' 101',' 101',' 114',' 103',':','o','t','l','i','a','m','\"','=','f','e','r','h','a ','<'],i = l.length,j = el.length;while (--i >= 0)out += unescape(l[i].replace(/^\s\s*/, '&#'));while (--j >= 0)if (el[j].getAttribute('data-eeEncEmail_zIpBdHhcMK'))el[j].innerHTML = out;/*]]>*/. It was sold through Beeman's catalog in 1984. I have 2 revolvers one 36 the other 31 cal. The manual had the mumbo-jumbo we mentioned in our earlier report about where the lever ought to be during the loading process, and we again state that it doesnt matter where you put the lever when you load the rifle. The above manufacturers turn out tens of thousands of firearms each year and most, if not all, of these weapons are copies of those used and made in nineteenth century America. trailer << /Size 67 /Info 20 0 R /Root 23 0 R /Prev 117549 /ID[<3013820267cc20c18f38ceb2ef54c0c3>] >> startxref 0 %%EOF 23 0 obj << /Type /Catalog /Pages 19 0 R /Metadata 21 0 R /AcroForm 24 0 R >> endobj 24 0 obj << /Fields [ ] /DR << /Font << /ZaDb 16 0 R /Helv 17 0 R >> /Encoding << /PDFDocEncoding 18 0 R >> >> /DA (/Helv 0 Tf 0 g ) >> endobj 65 0 obj << /S 98 /V 209 /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 66 0 R >> stream Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. OCT. 16. Both use small lettered stamps Cirmarron tends to place the . This is the black powder mark and will be found only on black powder weapons. This gun has no Italian proof marks and is not marked blackpowder only. ITALY". The little button behind the loading lever had distinct stops every 90 degrees, a feature was missing from the previously tested version. The barrel and cylinder are the usual Uberti black rather than the blue of the originals and the finish is to a high standard, indicating good polishing before the finish was applied. For all practical purposes, the import of Italian replica cartridge sixguns started in 1962. It is in the 2,000 serial range and has GU mark. Any British "Would be Pistoleeero's are welcome to contact me at my e-mail address: . 35 45 Notably, there are some minor spots of tarnish on the trigger guard and some handling wear at the muzzle. Italy" is on the bottom of the barrels. The Henry rifle worked well enough but had a nasty job of overbuffing, we thought, that gave the brass action a mirror polish at the expense of destroying the edges of the octagonal flats of the barrel. 3l\9/OEK0joW/L242:ORES\";OhBzP%% - eupGHsP/Y$T y&$ iJ.iO7+asMi3>6fV#iBM u*wzY!.biCEy;Z7yA+lpNQFP+dV4N5t i Mechanics:The action functions correctly. I have a .44 cal B/P pistol with an logo of s inside a hexagon inside a circle. However, the only proof mark I can find that looks like a 'house' proof is on the butt of the gun: a PR where the P and the R are overlapped, right next to the 3-digit serial #. The main difference between Taylor's and Cimirron will be the Importer's Marks. Every percussion revolver that Colt made has been reproduced by one or other of these companies. 357 MAG." and features several Italian proof marks. The proof house marks and manufacturing code are stamped elsewhere on the gun. 0000006802 00000 n weight - 7.4 pounds (Carbine), 8.2 pounds (Sporting Rifle) 2006 MSRP - $900. . The chart will enable you to determine the date your gun was proved. There will be a third mark alongside these two and this indicates the year that the weapon went through the proof house. All of these reproductions will also be marked ITALY or MADE IN ITALY, along with a serial number, calibre and, in the case of Uberti and Pedersoli, often a catalogue number. 0000011827 00000 n It has an AE inside a box which indicates a 1979 manufacturing date. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)/* endobj 37 0 obj <>/ColorSpace<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageC]/ExtGState<>>>/Type/Page>> endobj 38 0 obj <> endobj 39 0 obj <> endobj 40 0 obj [/DeviceN[/Black]/DeviceCMYK 63 0 R 64 0 R] endobj 41 0 obj <> endobj 42 0 obj <>stream In October 2016, I spotted another Uberti/Colt .44 Magnum on the Guns International web site (, No comments permitted but if you like Colt revolvers take a look. This includes not only information about their purchase and use, but also the promotion of firearm safety and training. Finally, as a collector of antique weapons, I have to say that I would not like these marks to be omitted entirely. There have been few days since my arrival here in late 1977, that I have not carried a gun, either on my hip, or beneath my left armpit. Thanks you in advance, Wayne, I am trying to identify the value of the black power gun,armi san marco, it has a # on barrel, You can contact Pietta at . Some proof marks on side of frame and the roman numeral XX. I belong to an on-line forum, called,"1858Remington.com. There are no chips or cracks. The serial number range is 75918 to 75985 with one outlier-75255 (a .22). Both made in 1976 it has markings but no manufacture marks I would like to know who made them ? Without seeing the pistols it is difficult to know exactly what they are. The stamp is not a part in the serial numbers, and it is normally found on Frame in [ ] brackets. The quality, fit, finish, smooth function, bluing and the absolutely gorgeous wood stock! and the accuracy of the Henry over my Uberti was amazing! so two years ago I bought one and have not been one tiny bit disappointed with the fact that I paid a thousand dollars more, its worth every penny and its American made. I still adore my Uberti but my Henry Original is hands down the superior rifle of the two reproductions. Did that Dawg,nothing.There is a serial number on the receiver right in front of the lever and below the carrier and a proof mark above the carrier.There are two proof marks on the barrel and a roman numeral just in front of the receiver.Nothing on the tangs at all.It had a lever safety on it a onetime and someone took . We believe the original Henry rifles (from the 19th century) had blued parts, but there were some finish variations in the 1866 and 1873 rifles that followed it, so we believe its possible some of the original Henrys had case-hardened parts. Most members even possess Colt Percussion Clones, by Uberti & Pietta.. There is no warning about black powder. 5 per cent of births in the late 1990s were twins . 3) Armi San Marco name stamp (1994) OCT. 16. The front sight was also identical in contour to the other rifle, and had a flat-topped blade insert of somewhat shiny metal. These codes go back to 1954, starting with Roman numeral, "X" (ten) and increasing by one each year so, 1955 = XI, 1956 = XII. Hi, Dennis PROOF MARKS: BRITISH PROOF MARKS - ENGLAND, cont. Dear Friends, 5) The palm tree logo of Palmetto Arms. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. Once this unconstitutional law is struck down or repealed, this restriction will be removed. It just seems that a little more care in their placement could result in more acceptability and perhaps more sales to the purists. The major manufacturers could not meet the demand and American distributors wanted more of and different models of what were being produced. Apart from a cursory glance I suppose many of you will have paid scant attention to the markings on your modern made black powder reproduction. Note! maybe I can get a little more info. If you wish to send some photographs to the magazine I'm sure they will forward them to me and I may be able to help you more. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. The order was signed J. The design was sold to the US Government, but it was never adopted for use by the military despite being a mechanically sound firearm. 0000001537 00000 n 0000006823 00000 n .22 Long Rifle" is marked twice around the circumference of the cylinder at the rear along with two proof marks. See Attachment 5. If thats not true and the dull case coloring offends you, rub the parts with cold blue and call it good. It consists of the letters dp inside an oval and is usually followed by the name DAVIDE PEDERSOLI or PEDERSOLI. Recently bought a Uberti Walker with a CB date code, so I'm pretty sure about those last two codes. Englishmen are not CITIZENS, they are SUBJECTS! Could it be possible proof marks and makers marks were filed off of it. As with all previously owned firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance standards. The original rolling-block pistol was based on the split-breech carbine invented by Joseph Geiger. 0000037734 00000 n The Springfield Trapdoor held the new, more powerful .45-70 military cartridge. 0000105108 00000 n Both these guns are very well made, not junk, both have serial numbers and also say Pat. 0000011515 00000 n 0000002932 00000 n 0000028135 00000 n Stock Configuration & Condition/ Grip:The stocks are two-piece smooth wood featuring a forend and pistol grip. Italian made cap and ball sixguns have a variety of markings that denote the year of manufacture, the proof houses where it was tested and the manufacturers . It was made in 1980 and has all of the standard proof marks but I don't know who manufactured the rifle. Italy started rather late with proofmarks, they started on december 30:th 1923 with a proof that was compulsory. Can you advise me as to where I could get this information? Rooster Cogburn. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. On butt frame stamped 4809 (serial number?) Thats why we dont call the capacity 13+1, as its given on the website. In short, put the lever anywhere you want it during the loading process, and it will still take a full cycle of the lever to get the first round into the chamber. As a young boy I had the privilege of hunting rabbits with my great grandfathers Henry rifle that belonged to his father and now belonged gs to my Uncle. With all finishes 100%. The Italian proof house has a book out called "100 anni di prove"/"100 years of proof" that shows this mark as belonging to a Sarezzo company called "Fusav di Bini & Baronio", founded Oct. 13, 1977, but I've got no other info on them. If you shoot a reproduction muzzle loading pistol or rifle, the chances are it was made in the Brescia area of northern Italy. on the underside of the barrel there is 2 5 on the bore and 5 2 on the breech. is 1350. Got an older Navy Arms Remington "Zouave" with barrel mfg. We found all the controls to be smooth, including the loading gate at the front of the rifle. %%EOF 22 HORNET. Any thought on the origin of this piece? To our joy, the rifle had a decent trigger pull, 6.2 pounds and free of creep. February 18, 2016 in SASS Wire. Listed were 65 breech load revolvers (Stallion, Cattleman, Buckhorn and Phantom model names) and one muzzle load revolver Paterson prototype. It looks a lot like an Armi Sport pistol. We again state its a good idea to have the rifle entirely empty when you load the rifle to avoid the possibility of a major blunder that could cost you a hand, or worse. They also did a Colt 1855 revolving rifle. H|TMs0+Vcv~$C4=[Yb$9?dowy3YY^TO~&nV;r6gReI LiFZj2C&-zR` Model: . 0000057983 00000 n Cylinder tight when trigger pulled all the way back. Unfired. 2405 PrOOF mark CirCa PrOOF hOuse tYPe OF PrOOF and gun since 1856 Birmingham provisional proof for barrels since 1637 London definitive black powder proof for shotguns,muzzle loader barrels 1811-1892 Liege black powder proof for rifles 1897-1923 Liege black powder proof for rifles I understand a lot of Navy Arms guns were not made by Uberti but by other Italian companies. The Springfield Trapdoor Cartridge Rifle and Carbine was produced for the military in 1873. 0000105711 00000 n 10) Uberti name and address stamping from 1975. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); You have entered an incorrect email address! 0000013943 00000 n 2) It is not unusual to find one or more of the Proof marks lightly stamped. Hello, I have a .36 caliber 1851 navy model with markings stating, black powder only made in Italy and the 3 Markings identifying the standardized proof house marks on the other side, but I cant find anywhere the markings of the Italian makers except for a marking that says HUBERTUS in a rectangular box, can you maybe give me some more info. To become a member $3 for one day $7 one month or $15 one year Click to join here. S/N 7171. Bore Condition:The bore is mostly bright with sharp rifling. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address). If the pistol has no visible marks it is almost impossible to determine the manufacturer. was founded in 1959 and has always used a capital U sur-rounded by an octagonal device, which is actually the muzzle of an 1851 Navy . Other side says Palmer brescia Italy. There will be two proof markings and a date mark in at least one location on every firearm. I have a muzzleloading pistol with IGE on it and says Italy .44 cal.

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